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cc.pyro · Jun 22, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Ideas:

1. Different Colors.
2. Trade Districts.
3. Ban Idiots.
4. Auction House.
5. Block WTB/WTS etc. from all chat.

All of these are good ideas.
For number one maybe they could sell you the temporary use of a different color for selling. Say 10 entries for 1plat. Seems fair.
For number two districts one and two are trade districts, they just need to be made official.
For number 3 this is always a good idea; no one likes idiots.
Number four is something they are either not going to do or are holding for the expansion tso they can make that bank! They claim they are going to make stuff like that free, but I doubt it.
Number 5 would be unnecessary but still good after 1-4 were implimented.

Oni No Arashi · Jun 22, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

If something like this bothers you that much....you are totally unprepared mentally for the real world.

and yes....it's common knowledge that Dist 1 and 2 are used for Trade....that's not to say that Trade doesnt happen in other districts...or that people should be using the Chat channel for Trade....but Creston was right.

If I were you I'd turn my computer off for a week or two and evaluate what is actually important in my life.....cuz I'm most certain "Getting people to stop using the Chat channel for Trade" wouldn't be high on my list.

Funny... A.Net's rules are... Trade in the trade channell, all other stuff can go in All.

No where on the Guildwars.com site do I see a ruling that District 1 and 2 are for Trade only. I see that it's against the rules for using the chat channells wrong and for spamming many lines of crap for trade.

Thus: No you're wrong. It's not common knowledge. District 1 and 2 are usually the ones that are the most full by game design, they're the districts that are always open. Thus they're the best places to group up also.

http://www.guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html

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5. # When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts. For more information, please see the User Agreement section 4 (j).

Therefore, since everyone trading spams at least 5 times in a row to get their point across... it's not the trading that's being really bad (one post would be the limit there, every few minutes). But the fact that they just blast you all with multiple lines of "WTS: some crap here for some exorbant amount" over and over and over again.

Again, no where does it say that you can't trade in the general chat, nor does it say that District 1 and 2 are for trading. It says that blasting that crap ovr and over and over again are against the rules.

EULA section 4(j) actually says this.

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(j) In Guild Wars, characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called 'Chat Messages.' With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated 'spamming,' or 'flooding' of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character’s ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.

Maybe a flood control setting on the global chat should be implemented, making it not a viable option to repeatedly spam chat. Or maybe making the up arrow non-existant on the global chat, so they have to retype all that stuff every time they go to post it.

However, those here saying that District 1 and 2 are only for trade need to read the rules. It's for playing the game. Meaning if you're going to spam your trading stuff every half second, constantly... you're interfering with us that are looking for groups to play. Thus you're breaking the rules.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

you made that entire post...went through all that effort...wasted all that time because you couldn't read.

I said "common knowledge"...not that there is any rule about it. The Chat channel should not be used for Trade...I agree with this. Do I care if it's enforced...absolutely not. I have things like Bills...work....keeping my house together..supporting my child to worry about. People spamming the chat channel is the very last thing on my list of worries...right underneath whether or not Summer and that goofy shaggy haired kid from OC will get back together.

sleazeh · Jun 22, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

I have often thought that having "admins" in each town, in the same vein as in various fps public servers, would go along way to reducing the problems seen in chat channel abuse.

Characters with the guild tag [a.net] or [admin] or something, that have the power to kick problem players from the district, or in extreme cases, temp ban or perm ban. Individuals would be chosen based on experience and trust by the development team.

Aside from the aforementioned trade spam spilling over into the general channel, I've seen all manner of racist, derogatory, and inflammatory commentary as well. Not to mention discusions about religion, politics...to the point where, even if one didn't find the comments themselves offensive, it becomes impossible to sift through all the rapdily scrolling text to actually find a message that pertains to something useful - like trying to put together a group, for example.

To think that monitoring channel chat can or does occur remotely by the development team is unrealistic, just in terms of the sheer volume alone.

If you wanted to make the admins (for lack of a better term) more immersive in the RP element of the game, have the characters "roles" be Town Councillors or Constabulatory or something.

provoko · Jun 22, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

you made that entire post...went through all that effort...wasted all that time because you couldn't read.
Do I care if it's enforced...absolutely not. I have things like Bills...

But for some reason you have this thread on your list of important things to do. Haha.

Algren cole, you gotta understand the problem, the thread maker is trying to enjoy the game by creating groups in lions arch to do quests, but can't because people are spamming trade crap in 'all'.

If all of sudden the thing you did in the game became frustrating because the structure of the game didn't allow you to, then what would you do? Stop playing the game and coming to these forums? You'd give up that easliy? Thats not how the real world works.

You mentioned the real world, well in real life when you get a bill for 500 dollars when it was supposed to be 50 dollars, what do you do, shut off the real world (Haha)? No, you call up the company and yell at them, they say no, you go to some agency to complain about them, find 100 people with the same problem, make a class action suit and finally get your money back.

Thats the real world and the same principles apply in a virtual world. Theres a problem, you say something about it, find other people that share your problem and then do something about it. Thats what the thread maker did.

Form reading the thread, OBVIOUSLY everyone agrees there are problems with trading. So in the next content patch, or the one after, the devs should come up with an auction house/store, LIKE ALMOST EVERY MMO OUT THERE HAS. Haha.

I think two trade channels, with different colors, would be a quick solutions to this problem (one for buying, other for selling). But in the long run there should definitely be an auction house or store front. You post your item up with a price which everyone can see and they bid on it or buy it; no one will ever spam again.

Sleazeh's reply above is something that should be going on right now. There should be an ingame admin sitting in channels and monitering them for racisim and spam. That would solve trade spam spilling over into 'all'.

Navaros · Jun 22, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15

most of you complain about "trade spam" yet at the same time entirely miss the point that spamming your goods is the only way you are ever likely to find a suitable buyer for your items, due to the limited trade interface of the game

it is the lack of an auction house which forces players' hands into doing this

they are not spamming the All channel in order to be jerks

they are posting in the All channel because most players do not like getting migraine headaches, hence they turn their trade tab off so as it doesn't give them one.

hence, advertising only in the trade channel does not get your item seen by enough people due to the fact that most people have the trade tab off

on top of that, as mentioned earlier, the text that is in the trade channel scrolls by way too fast anyhow. so even those who have the trade tab on are not likely to read anything posted in it

i don't like seeing "LFG" spam in my All channel. that is extremely annoying. but i put up with it because i realize spamming the All channel with that stuff is the only way to find a party (aside from having a Guild).

it's the same principle with the trading in the All channel

bottom line: Guild Wars current trade system makes it necessary to post items in the All channel; that is a problem with game mechanics - not players posting their items in the All channel

Dirkiess · Jun 22, 2005, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Navaros

most of you complain about "trade spam" yet at the same time entirely miss the point that spamming your goods is the only way you are ever likely to find a suitable buyer for your items, due to the limited trade interface of the game

it is the lack of an auction house which forces players' hands into doing this

they are not spamming the All channel in order to be jerks

they are posting in the All channel because most players do not like getting migraine headaches, hence they turn their trade tab off so as it doesn't give them one.

hence, advertising only in the trade channel does not get your item seen by enough people due to the fact that most people have the trade tab off

on top of that, as mentioned earlier, the text that is in the trade channel scrolls by way too fast anyhow. so even those who have the trade tab on are not likely to read anything posted in it

i don't like seeing "LFG" spam in my All channel. that is extremely annoying. but i put up with it because i realize spamming the All channel with that stuff is the only way to find a party (aside from having a Guild).

it's the same principle with the trading in the All channel

bottom line: Guild Wars current trade system makes it necessary to post items in the All channel; that is a problem with game mechanics - not players posting their items in the All channel

Ok, maybe the trading system is a missing something and maybe A-Net will improve this in the future, this still doesn't give the people the right to just go spamming everything they are selling and there is a lot of crap being sold in the All Chat Channel.
If people wanted to buy something, they would have the trade channel switched on.

If people don't sell there items, then maybe they should just go and sell them to the merchant and go play the game, instead of spoiling other peoples game, by Spamming there Trade in the All Chat, just because they have a pissy fit in not being able to sell there items. I say that is tough. I've had a lot of stuff that I just couldn't be bothered to stand around and try and sell because of all the spam going on and the the moaning that happens in game.

We all pay our money to play the game, and most of us use it in the proper way.

I still go by my last Post, that there should be 1 or 2 Trade districts only, at the major towns. If people want to buy and sell they go there. No other form of business is done in these districts, whether questing or mission hunting.
If people want to Trade until there hearts are content, they can do so within reason. No mass spamming, cheating, scamming etc as this will all be a lot easier to monitor in just 1 or 2 districts per town.

I can see this being another thread that is going to keep going on and on, as everyone has there opinion, disagreements, arguments, frustrations etc etc.

Nothing will happen until A-Net do something to change or improve things.

In the mean time, I just say everyone that is not trading and wants to play the game, stay out of D1 and D2 in Ascalon and Lions Arch.

Ok, we shouldn't have to do this, as they are not official Trade Depots, but at least you'll find a group somewhere outside those areas.

hydrak · Jun 22, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Navaros

they are not spamming the All channel in order to be jerks

they are posting in the All channel because most players do not like getting migraine headaches, hence they turn their trade tab off so as it doesn't give them one.

hence, advertising only in the trade channel does not get your item seen by enough people due to the fact that most people have the trade tab off

There is a reason why people have their trade tab off. It is to get away from the trade spams. What tab should these people turn off now that everyone starts spamming in the all channel? Trades should only be spammed in the trade channels, there is no excuse for spamming in the all channels.

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

why would yo uban them?????

simple SPAMMING!!!!!!!!1

spamming is not allowed and to use the local chat channel for trade is spamming pure and simple.

using a channel for anyting other than it's intended us is spamming.

and as for getting a group it is impossible because of all the trading giong on in local channel

Try staying out of districts 1 and 2 if you're having problems.
"Wow... dis. 1 and 2 are full of traders. I guess I'll stay here and try to find a group when no one wants to group."
Brilliant logic I see going on here.

GoblinBoy · Jun 22, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

If I want to buy/sell something I turn the trade channel on and the rest off. I don't find it hard to work with the current tade system. If I'm not looking to do any trading then the trade channel is off. People that trade in the all channel, I ask them to use the trade channel, if they don't I leave the district. Most of the time they stop, except for the person that is looking for an arguement, which in that case I leave anyways.
Just my $.000001

hydrak · Jun 22, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

"Wow... dis. 1 and 2 are full of traders. "

What kind of logic is this?

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Because it's the truth.
If you have to use the scroll bar constantly to see what people are saying due to traders. One can assume that it is full of traders. If this isn't enough, just read what text is actually being posted in these districts.

hydrak · Jun 22, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

Because it's the truth.
If you have to use the scroll bar constantly to see what people are saying due to traders. One can assume that it is full of traders. If this isn't enough, just read what text is actually being posted in these districts.

That's is just great logic.

Listen, district 1 or 2 has more trade spams because it has more people. It has more traders, but it also has more people who are looking for quest group. Do you ever think of that?

How about you try to go to district 50 and look for quest group there? I'm sure there is no trade spam there...

OneArmedScissor · Jun 22, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by hydrak

That's is just great logic.

Listen, district 1 or 2 has more trade spams because it has more people. It has more traders, but it also has more people who are looking for quest group. Do you ever think of that?

How about you try to go to district 50 and look for quest group there? I'm sure there is no trade spam there...

I'm not the one with the personal problem of not being able to find a group.
Most people looking for groups are within dis. 10-3

hydrak · Jun 22, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

I'm not the one with the personal problem of not being able to find a group.
Most people looking for groups are within dis. 10-3

You were saying that "district 1 or 2 is the traders' district." I'm just pointing out the greatness of your logic.

Rieselle · Jun 22, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often. And then the trade channel becomes a rapid blur of repeated spam, and everyone turns it off. So if I want to get people to read my spam, I have to do it in the all channel, because people who are LFG won't turn it off.

Rather than making useless rules, or banning people, or even hiring an intern to monitor it (god, what a job that would be!), they need to improve the trade channel/system so that it's better for the purpose it was intended.

1. You can shift click an item, and a "link" to it gets placed in your spam text. People can mouse-over the link and see all the details of the item. Similar features exist in both WoW and EQ2. This "link" feature does NOT work in All chat. It only works in Trade, Guild, and Whisper chat. Now you can post all the details about the thing you want to sell, without needing to type a lot!

2. Make the trade channel searcheable. Heck, make all the chat text searchable.

3. You can only post to the trade channel once every minute or something like that.

There, simple changes that would have a large effect. Of course, we'd all rather have a full-blown trading system, like an Auction House, bulletin board, package mail, etc. But this is a quick easy fix whilst we wait for that. (And regardless of whether an AH gets created or not, being able to "link" to items in your chat text is a good feature anyway.)

Radical · Jun 22, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I have to agree with you all. Finding a group to head out with is difficult with all of the WTS and WTB in common.

There are a lot of good ideas, filtering would seem to be the best and easiest to implement. Scan the strings and re-route to the Trade channel.

It would be really cool if ANet could set up a Trader's District where you could set up your own shop. I click on you and get an inventory just like at the Storage Area. It would make trading easier and reduce the need to head off to sites like RPGTraders...

provoko · Jun 22, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

Try staying out of districts 1 and 2 if you're having problems.
"Wow... dis. 1 and 2 are full of traders. I guess I'll stay here and try to find a group when no one wants to group."
Brilliant logic I see going on here.

Go into district 3 and 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and turn off trade and just leave all on, see what happens. Infact, try to start a conversation or look for a group, the moment you think everythings right with the world, BAM trade spam. Haha.

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Originally Posted by hydrak

There is a reason why people have their trade tab off. It is to get away from the trade spams. What tab should these people turn off now that everyone starts spamming in the all channel? Trades should only be spammed in the trade channels, there is no excuse for spamming in the all channels.

Exactly.

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by provoko

Algren cole, you gotta understand the problem, the thread maker is trying to enjoy the game by creating groups in lions arch to do quests, but can't because people are spamming trade crap in 'all'.

If all of sudden the thing you did in the game became frustrating because the structure of the game didn't allow you to, then what would you do? Stop playing the game and coming to these forums? You'd give up that easliy? Thats not how the real world works.

that's life...it's not always catered to what you want. I'd deal with it and continue looking for a group.

salja Wachi · Jun 22, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

that's life...it's not always catered to what you want. I'd deal with it and continue looking for a group.

you said it exactly. the "all" channel should not cater to you just because you do not like the pink chat.

follow the rules or get banned. why is that such a hard concept to understand?